What am I doing wrong solving this system of equations?
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$$begin{cases}
2x_1+5x_2-8x_3=8\
4x_1+3x_2-9x_3=9\
2x_1+3x_2-5x_3=7\
x_1+8x_2-7x_3=12
end{cases}$$
From my elementary row operations, I get that it has no solution. (Row operations are to be read from top to bottom.)
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_3,leftrightarrow, R_4}}{R_2,leftrightarrow, R_3}}{overset{R_1,leftrightarrow,R_2}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17
end{array}right]$$
$$overset{R_4to R_4-R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & 10 & 8 & -12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_3to R_3+R_2}}{R_4to R_4-5R_2}}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -1 & -2 & -4 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_2to R_2+2R_3}}{R_3to-R_3}}{largelongrightarrow}$$
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 0 & -7 & -7 \
0 & 1 & 2 & 4 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17 \
end{array}right]
overset{R_2,leftrightarrow,R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 1 & 2 & 4 \
0 & 0 & -7 & -7 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17 \
end{array}right]$$
However, the answer in the book $(3, 2, 1)$ fits the system.
Was there an arithmetical mistake, or do I misunderstand something fundamentally?
linear-algebra systems-of-equations
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$$begin{cases}
2x_1+5x_2-8x_3=8\
4x_1+3x_2-9x_3=9\
2x_1+3x_2-5x_3=7\
x_1+8x_2-7x_3=12
end{cases}$$
From my elementary row operations, I get that it has no solution. (Row operations are to be read from top to bottom.)
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_3,leftrightarrow, R_4}}{R_2,leftrightarrow, R_3}}{overset{R_1,leftrightarrow,R_2}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17
end{array}right]$$
$$overset{R_4to R_4-R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & 10 & 8 & -12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_3to R_3+R_2}}{R_4to R_4-5R_2}}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -1 & -2 & -4 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_2to R_2+2R_3}}{R_3to-R_3}}{largelongrightarrow}$$
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 0 & -7 & -7 \
0 & 1 & 2 & 4 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17 \
end{array}right]
overset{R_2,leftrightarrow,R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 1 & 2 & 4 \
0 & 0 & -7 & -7 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17 \
end{array}right]$$
However, the answer in the book $(3, 2, 1)$ fits the system.
Was there an arithmetical mistake, or do I misunderstand something fundamentally?
linear-algebra systems-of-equations
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I would also recommend simply checking answers via a computer, you can quickly see your arithmetic mistake matrix.reshish.com/gauss-jordanElimination.php . Even the most experienced mathematicians still make minus sign errors or simple multiplication errors. We're mathematicians after all, not primary school teachers :P
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$$begin{cases}
2x_1+5x_2-8x_3=8\
4x_1+3x_2-9x_3=9\
2x_1+3x_2-5x_3=7\
x_1+8x_2-7x_3=12
end{cases}$$
From my elementary row operations, I get that it has no solution. (Row operations are to be read from top to bottom.)
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_3,leftrightarrow, R_4}}{R_2,leftrightarrow, R_3}}{overset{R_1,leftrightarrow,R_2}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17
end{array}right]$$
$$overset{R_4to R_4-R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & 10 & 8 & -12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_3to R_3+R_2}}{R_4to R_4-5R_2}}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -1 & -2 & -4 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_2to R_2+2R_3}}{R_3to-R_3}}{largelongrightarrow}$$
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 0 & -7 & -7 \
0 & 1 & 2 & 4 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17 \
end{array}right]
overset{R_2,leftrightarrow,R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 1 & 2 & 4 \
0 & 0 & -7 & -7 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17 \
end{array}right]$$
However, the answer in the book $(3, 2, 1)$ fits the system.
Was there an arithmetical mistake, or do I misunderstand something fundamentally?
linear-algebra systems-of-equations
$$begin{cases}
2x_1+5x_2-8x_3=8\
4x_1+3x_2-9x_3=9\
2x_1+3x_2-5x_3=7\
x_1+8x_2-7x_3=12
end{cases}$$
From my elementary row operations, I get that it has no solution. (Row operations are to be read from top to bottom.)
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_3,leftrightarrow, R_4}}{R_2,leftrightarrow, R_3}}{overset{R_1,leftrightarrow,R_2}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17
end{array}right]$$
$$overset{R_4to R_4-R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & 10 & 8 & -12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_3to R_3+R_2}}{R_4to R_4-5R_2}}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -1 & -2 & -4 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_2to R_2+2R_3}}{R_3to-R_3}}{largelongrightarrow}$$
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 0 & -7 & -7 \
0 & 1 & 2 & 4 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17 \
end{array}right]
overset{R_2,leftrightarrow,R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 \
0 & 1 & 2 & 4 \
0 & 0 & -7 & -7 \
0 & 0 & 23 & -17 \
end{array}right]$$
However, the answer in the book $(3, 2, 1)$ fits the system.
Was there an arithmetical mistake, or do I misunderstand something fundamentally?
linear-algebra systems-of-equations
linear-algebra systems-of-equations
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It is in your best interest that you type your questions (using MathJax) instead of posting links to pictures.
– José Carlos Santos
2 days ago
5
I would also recommend simply checking answers via a computer, you can quickly see your arithmetic mistake matrix.reshish.com/gauss-jordanElimination.php . Even the most experienced mathematicians still make minus sign errors or simple multiplication errors. We're mathematicians after all, not primary school teachers :P
– WesleyGroupshaveFeelingsToo
2 days ago
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12
It is in your best interest that you type your questions (using MathJax) instead of posting links to pictures.
– José Carlos Santos
2 days ago
5
I would also recommend simply checking answers via a computer, you can quickly see your arithmetic mistake matrix.reshish.com/gauss-jordanElimination.php . Even the most experienced mathematicians still make minus sign errors or simple multiplication errors. We're mathematicians after all, not primary school teachers :P
– WesleyGroupshaveFeelingsToo
2 days ago
12
12
It is in your best interest that you type your questions (using MathJax) instead of posting links to pictures.
– José Carlos Santos
2 days ago
It is in your best interest that you type your questions (using MathJax) instead of posting links to pictures.
– José Carlos Santos
2 days ago
5
5
I would also recommend simply checking answers via a computer, you can quickly see your arithmetic mistake matrix.reshish.com/gauss-jordanElimination.php . Even the most experienced mathematicians still make minus sign errors or simple multiplication errors. We're mathematicians after all, not primary school teachers :P
– WesleyGroupshaveFeelingsToo
2 days ago
I would also recommend simply checking answers via a computer, you can quickly see your arithmetic mistake matrix.reshish.com/gauss-jordanElimination.php . Even the most experienced mathematicians still make minus sign errors or simple multiplication errors. We're mathematicians after all, not primary school teachers :P
– WesleyGroupshaveFeelingsToo
2 days ago
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Hint: Try inputing the solution $(3,2,1)$ into every step. That will allow you to identify the step where you went wrong.
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Note: this is probably the simplest answer I ever gave that recieved a score of 10 :)
– 5xum
2 days ago
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it's also a great and remarkably salient answer that fully solves the problem and many others like it. In other words: it's the best kind of answer. Well-done.
– The Count
yesterday
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In addition, it is a nice little case where it makes sense to do a binary search...
– Sebastian Schoennenbeck
yesterday
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Hint: There is only one equation in the last set that does not work with that solution, so it is not necessary to input the solution in EVERY equation, just working backwards from the wrong one reveals the problem relatively quickly.
– kutschkem
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You do (in the third matrix): $$L3-L4=(0, -3, 1 mid -5)-(0, -13, 9 mid -19)=(0, 10, -8 mid 12)$$ but you have $(0, 10, 8 mid -12)$ instead.
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Note 1: Referring to 5xum's answer, in case you don't know the final answer, any solution will do, e.g.:
$$(x_1,x_2,x_3)=(0,0,-1);(0,0,-1);(1,0,-1);(12,0,0) text{(respectively)}$$
Note 2: In step $3$, you can reduce column $3$ instead of column $2$:
$$left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&2&-3&1\
0&-3&1&-5\
0&-13&9&-17\
end{array}
right] Rightarrow left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&-7&0&-14\
0&-3&1&-5\
0&14&0&28\
end{array}
right] stackrel{frac{-R_2}{7};\ frac{-3R_2}{7}+R_3}{=}Rightarrow left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&1&0&2\
0&0&1&1\
0&14&0&28\
end{array}
right]$$
The second and fourth equations are dependent, therefore they produce the same solution $x_2=2$. You can finish the problem now.
Note 3. When you can not find your mistake (sometimes the brain gets blocked/accustommed and can not see obvious mistakes), leave it for some time (1 hour, 1 day) and return with fresh mind. You will be surprised to easily spot the error.
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+1 for the last paragraph: Keep calm & try again later is a good approach
– Barranka
2 days ago
can you explain Note 1? How can I use this four tuples you show us to find the error?
– miracle173
yesterday
@miracle173, unfortunately all four cannot be used at once, but pairwise solutions (which is relatively simple to find by putting $0$ into one of three unknowns) must be checked. For example, equations $1$ and $2$ have common solution $(0,0,-1)$, so any row operation of the two equations must be satisfied by it. Or $(8/3,0,-1/3)$ is a common solution of the equations $1$ and $3$, so the OP's first result $[0 2 -3 | 1]$ must be satisfied by it.
– farruhota
yesterday
I understand now, but this seems not to be useful to me.
– miracle173
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Usually you don't know the solution of your equation. So you have to use other methods for check your calculation. One way is to add checksums to your calculation.
Don't start your calculations with the original matrix
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
$$
but start with the matrix augmented by a column at the right. An element of this column is equal to the sum of the other elements of this row. So the augmented matrix is
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 & 7 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 & 7 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]
$$
You do the same row operations as with the original matrices.
So instead of
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]$$
you do
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 & 7 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 & 7 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 & -21 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]$$
Then you check if for the matrix you calculated the checksum is still valid.
Here the checksum is correct.
Now let's investigate the step where the error occurs. We get
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 & -21
end{array}right]
overset{R_4to R_4-R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c | c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14\
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0\
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7\
0 & 10 & 8 & -12 & -14
end{array}right]
$$
For this result matrix the checksum of row 4 is not valid, so an error must have occurred.
Actually the checksum property means $(1,1,1,1)^T$ is a solution of the following system of equations that corresponds to the augmented matrix:
$$begin{eqnarray}
2x_1&+&5x_2&-&8x_3&+&8x_4&=&7\
4x_1&+&3x_2&-&9x_3&+&9x_4&=&7\
2x_1&+&3x_2&-&5x_3&+&7x_4&=&7\
x_1&+&8x_2&-&7x_3&+&12x_4&=&14
end{eqnarray}$$
So this method is similar to the method in the accepted answer, where the solution given by the textbook is used.
What if this method does not uncover the errors. This can happen if you made more then one error in a step- Then you can use a weighted checksum to try to uncover the error.
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Hint: Try inputing the solution $(3,2,1)$ into every step. That will allow you to identify the step where you went wrong.
15
Note: this is probably the simplest answer I ever gave that recieved a score of 10 :)
– 5xum
2 days ago
6
it's also a great and remarkably salient answer that fully solves the problem and many others like it. In other words: it's the best kind of answer. Well-done.
– The Count
yesterday
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In addition, it is a nice little case where it makes sense to do a binary search...
– Sebastian Schoennenbeck
yesterday
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Hint: There is only one equation in the last set that does not work with that solution, so it is not necessary to input the solution in EVERY equation, just working backwards from the wrong one reveals the problem relatively quickly.
– kutschkem
yesterday
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up vote
73
down vote
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Hint: Try inputing the solution $(3,2,1)$ into every step. That will allow you to identify the step where you went wrong.
15
Note: this is probably the simplest answer I ever gave that recieved a score of 10 :)
– 5xum
2 days ago
6
it's also a great and remarkably salient answer that fully solves the problem and many others like it. In other words: it's the best kind of answer. Well-done.
– The Count
yesterday
4
In addition, it is a nice little case where it makes sense to do a binary search...
– Sebastian Schoennenbeck
yesterday
2
Hint: There is only one equation in the last set that does not work with that solution, so it is not necessary to input the solution in EVERY equation, just working backwards from the wrong one reveals the problem relatively quickly.
– kutschkem
yesterday
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up vote
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Hint: Try inputing the solution $(3,2,1)$ into every step. That will allow you to identify the step where you went wrong.
Hint: Try inputing the solution $(3,2,1)$ into every step. That will allow you to identify the step where you went wrong.
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5xum
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Note: this is probably the simplest answer I ever gave that recieved a score of 10 :)
– 5xum
2 days ago
6
it's also a great and remarkably salient answer that fully solves the problem and many others like it. In other words: it's the best kind of answer. Well-done.
– The Count
yesterday
4
In addition, it is a nice little case where it makes sense to do a binary search...
– Sebastian Schoennenbeck
yesterday
2
Hint: There is only one equation in the last set that does not work with that solution, so it is not necessary to input the solution in EVERY equation, just working backwards from the wrong one reveals the problem relatively quickly.
– kutschkem
yesterday
add a comment |
15
Note: this is probably the simplest answer I ever gave that recieved a score of 10 :)
– 5xum
2 days ago
6
it's also a great and remarkably salient answer that fully solves the problem and many others like it. In other words: it's the best kind of answer. Well-done.
– The Count
yesterday
4
In addition, it is a nice little case where it makes sense to do a binary search...
– Sebastian Schoennenbeck
yesterday
2
Hint: There is only one equation in the last set that does not work with that solution, so it is not necessary to input the solution in EVERY equation, just working backwards from the wrong one reveals the problem relatively quickly.
– kutschkem
yesterday
15
15
Note: this is probably the simplest answer I ever gave that recieved a score of 10 :)
– 5xum
2 days ago
Note: this is probably the simplest answer I ever gave that recieved a score of 10 :)
– 5xum
2 days ago
6
6
it's also a great and remarkably salient answer that fully solves the problem and many others like it. In other words: it's the best kind of answer. Well-done.
– The Count
yesterday
it's also a great and remarkably salient answer that fully solves the problem and many others like it. In other words: it's the best kind of answer. Well-done.
– The Count
yesterday
4
4
In addition, it is a nice little case where it makes sense to do a binary search...
– Sebastian Schoennenbeck
yesterday
In addition, it is a nice little case where it makes sense to do a binary search...
– Sebastian Schoennenbeck
yesterday
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2
Hint: There is only one equation in the last set that does not work with that solution, so it is not necessary to input the solution in EVERY equation, just working backwards from the wrong one reveals the problem relatively quickly.
– kutschkem
yesterday
Hint: There is only one equation in the last set that does not work with that solution, so it is not necessary to input the solution in EVERY equation, just working backwards from the wrong one reveals the problem relatively quickly.
– kutschkem
yesterday
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You do (in the third matrix): $$L3-L4=(0, -3, 1 mid -5)-(0, -13, 9 mid -19)=(0, 10, -8 mid 12)$$ but you have $(0, 10, 8 mid -12)$ instead.
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You do (in the third matrix): $$L3-L4=(0, -3, 1 mid -5)-(0, -13, 9 mid -19)=(0, 10, -8 mid 12)$$ but you have $(0, 10, 8 mid -12)$ instead.
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You do (in the third matrix): $$L3-L4=(0, -3, 1 mid -5)-(0, -13, 9 mid -19)=(0, 10, -8 mid 12)$$ but you have $(0, 10, 8 mid -12)$ instead.
You do (in the third matrix): $$L3-L4=(0, -3, 1 mid -5)-(0, -13, 9 mid -19)=(0, 10, -8 mid 12)$$ but you have $(0, 10, 8 mid -12)$ instead.
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Note 1: Referring to 5xum's answer, in case you don't know the final answer, any solution will do, e.g.:
$$(x_1,x_2,x_3)=(0,0,-1);(0,0,-1);(1,0,-1);(12,0,0) text{(respectively)}$$
Note 2: In step $3$, you can reduce column $3$ instead of column $2$:
$$left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&2&-3&1\
0&-3&1&-5\
0&-13&9&-17\
end{array}
right] Rightarrow left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&-7&0&-14\
0&-3&1&-5\
0&14&0&28\
end{array}
right] stackrel{frac{-R_2}{7};\ frac{-3R_2}{7}+R_3}{=}Rightarrow left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&1&0&2\
0&0&1&1\
0&14&0&28\
end{array}
right]$$
The second and fourth equations are dependent, therefore they produce the same solution $x_2=2$. You can finish the problem now.
Note 3. When you can not find your mistake (sometimes the brain gets blocked/accustommed and can not see obvious mistakes), leave it for some time (1 hour, 1 day) and return with fresh mind. You will be surprised to easily spot the error.
1
+1 for the last paragraph: Keep calm & try again later is a good approach
– Barranka
2 days ago
can you explain Note 1? How can I use this four tuples you show us to find the error?
– miracle173
yesterday
@miracle173, unfortunately all four cannot be used at once, but pairwise solutions (which is relatively simple to find by putting $0$ into one of three unknowns) must be checked. For example, equations $1$ and $2$ have common solution $(0,0,-1)$, so any row operation of the two equations must be satisfied by it. Or $(8/3,0,-1/3)$ is a common solution of the equations $1$ and $3$, so the OP's first result $[0 2 -3 | 1]$ must be satisfied by it.
– farruhota
yesterday
I understand now, but this seems not to be useful to me.
– miracle173
22 hours ago
add a comment |
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11
down vote
Note 1: Referring to 5xum's answer, in case you don't know the final answer, any solution will do, e.g.:
$$(x_1,x_2,x_3)=(0,0,-1);(0,0,-1);(1,0,-1);(12,0,0) text{(respectively)}$$
Note 2: In step $3$, you can reduce column $3$ instead of column $2$:
$$left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&2&-3&1\
0&-3&1&-5\
0&-13&9&-17\
end{array}
right] Rightarrow left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&-7&0&-14\
0&-3&1&-5\
0&14&0&28\
end{array}
right] stackrel{frac{-R_2}{7};\ frac{-3R_2}{7}+R_3}{=}Rightarrow left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&1&0&2\
0&0&1&1\
0&14&0&28\
end{array}
right]$$
The second and fourth equations are dependent, therefore they produce the same solution $x_2=2$. You can finish the problem now.
Note 3. When you can not find your mistake (sometimes the brain gets blocked/accustommed and can not see obvious mistakes), leave it for some time (1 hour, 1 day) and return with fresh mind. You will be surprised to easily spot the error.
1
+1 for the last paragraph: Keep calm & try again later is a good approach
– Barranka
2 days ago
can you explain Note 1? How can I use this four tuples you show us to find the error?
– miracle173
yesterday
@miracle173, unfortunately all four cannot be used at once, but pairwise solutions (which is relatively simple to find by putting $0$ into one of three unknowns) must be checked. For example, equations $1$ and $2$ have common solution $(0,0,-1)$, so any row operation of the two equations must be satisfied by it. Or $(8/3,0,-1/3)$ is a common solution of the equations $1$ and $3$, so the OP's first result $[0 2 -3 | 1]$ must be satisfied by it.
– farruhota
yesterday
I understand now, but this seems not to be useful to me.
– miracle173
22 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
11
down vote
up vote
11
down vote
Note 1: Referring to 5xum's answer, in case you don't know the final answer, any solution will do, e.g.:
$$(x_1,x_2,x_3)=(0,0,-1);(0,0,-1);(1,0,-1);(12,0,0) text{(respectively)}$$
Note 2: In step $3$, you can reduce column $3$ instead of column $2$:
$$left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&2&-3&1\
0&-3&1&-5\
0&-13&9&-17\
end{array}
right] Rightarrow left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&-7&0&-14\
0&-3&1&-5\
0&14&0&28\
end{array}
right] stackrel{frac{-R_2}{7};\ frac{-3R_2}{7}+R_3}{=}Rightarrow left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&1&0&2\
0&0&1&1\
0&14&0&28\
end{array}
right]$$
The second and fourth equations are dependent, therefore they produce the same solution $x_2=2$. You can finish the problem now.
Note 3. When you can not find your mistake (sometimes the brain gets blocked/accustommed and can not see obvious mistakes), leave it for some time (1 hour, 1 day) and return with fresh mind. You will be surprised to easily spot the error.
Note 1: Referring to 5xum's answer, in case you don't know the final answer, any solution will do, e.g.:
$$(x_1,x_2,x_3)=(0,0,-1);(0,0,-1);(1,0,-1);(12,0,0) text{(respectively)}$$
Note 2: In step $3$, you can reduce column $3$ instead of column $2$:
$$left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&2&-3&1\
0&-3&1&-5\
0&-13&9&-17\
end{array}
right] Rightarrow left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&-7&0&-14\
0&-3&1&-5\
0&14&0&28\
end{array}
right] stackrel{frac{-R_2}{7};\ frac{-3R_2}{7}+R_3}{=}Rightarrow left[
begin{array}{ccc|c}
1&8&-7&12\
0&1&0&2\
0&0&1&1\
0&14&0&28\
end{array}
right]$$
The second and fourth equations are dependent, therefore they produce the same solution $x_2=2$. You can finish the problem now.
Note 3. When you can not find your mistake (sometimes the brain gets blocked/accustommed and can not see obvious mistakes), leave it for some time (1 hour, 1 day) and return with fresh mind. You will be surprised to easily spot the error.
answered 2 days ago
farruhota
17.1k2736
17.1k2736
1
+1 for the last paragraph: Keep calm & try again later is a good approach
– Barranka
2 days ago
can you explain Note 1? How can I use this four tuples you show us to find the error?
– miracle173
yesterday
@miracle173, unfortunately all four cannot be used at once, but pairwise solutions (which is relatively simple to find by putting $0$ into one of three unknowns) must be checked. For example, equations $1$ and $2$ have common solution $(0,0,-1)$, so any row operation of the two equations must be satisfied by it. Or $(8/3,0,-1/3)$ is a common solution of the equations $1$ and $3$, so the OP's first result $[0 2 -3 | 1]$ must be satisfied by it.
– farruhota
yesterday
I understand now, but this seems not to be useful to me.
– miracle173
22 hours ago
add a comment |
1
+1 for the last paragraph: Keep calm & try again later is a good approach
– Barranka
2 days ago
can you explain Note 1? How can I use this four tuples you show us to find the error?
– miracle173
yesterday
@miracle173, unfortunately all four cannot be used at once, but pairwise solutions (which is relatively simple to find by putting $0$ into one of three unknowns) must be checked. For example, equations $1$ and $2$ have common solution $(0,0,-1)$, so any row operation of the two equations must be satisfied by it. Or $(8/3,0,-1/3)$ is a common solution of the equations $1$ and $3$, so the OP's first result $[0 2 -3 | 1]$ must be satisfied by it.
– farruhota
yesterday
I understand now, but this seems not to be useful to me.
– miracle173
22 hours ago
1
1
+1 for the last paragraph: Keep calm & try again later is a good approach
– Barranka
2 days ago
+1 for the last paragraph: Keep calm & try again later is a good approach
– Barranka
2 days ago
can you explain Note 1? How can I use this four tuples you show us to find the error?
– miracle173
yesterday
can you explain Note 1? How can I use this four tuples you show us to find the error?
– miracle173
yesterday
@miracle173, unfortunately all four cannot be used at once, but pairwise solutions (which is relatively simple to find by putting $0$ into one of three unknowns) must be checked. For example, equations $1$ and $2$ have common solution $(0,0,-1)$, so any row operation of the two equations must be satisfied by it. Or $(8/3,0,-1/3)$ is a common solution of the equations $1$ and $3$, so the OP's first result $[0 2 -3 | 1]$ must be satisfied by it.
– farruhota
yesterday
@miracle173, unfortunately all four cannot be used at once, but pairwise solutions (which is relatively simple to find by putting $0$ into one of three unknowns) must be checked. For example, equations $1$ and $2$ have common solution $(0,0,-1)$, so any row operation of the two equations must be satisfied by it. Or $(8/3,0,-1/3)$ is a common solution of the equations $1$ and $3$, so the OP's first result $[0 2 -3 | 1]$ must be satisfied by it.
– farruhota
yesterday
I understand now, but this seems not to be useful to me.
– miracle173
22 hours ago
I understand now, but this seems not to be useful to me.
– miracle173
22 hours ago
add a comment |
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Usually you don't know the solution of your equation. So you have to use other methods for check your calculation. One way is to add checksums to your calculation.
Don't start your calculations with the original matrix
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
$$
but start with the matrix augmented by a column at the right. An element of this column is equal to the sum of the other elements of this row. So the augmented matrix is
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 & 7 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 & 7 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]
$$
You do the same row operations as with the original matrices.
So instead of
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]$$
you do
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 & 7 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 & 7 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 & -21 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]$$
Then you check if for the matrix you calculated the checksum is still valid.
Here the checksum is correct.
Now let's investigate the step where the error occurs. We get
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 & -21
end{array}right]
overset{R_4to R_4-R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c | c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14\
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0\
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7\
0 & 10 & 8 & -12 & -14
end{array}right]
$$
For this result matrix the checksum of row 4 is not valid, so an error must have occurred.
Actually the checksum property means $(1,1,1,1)^T$ is a solution of the following system of equations that corresponds to the augmented matrix:
$$begin{eqnarray}
2x_1&+&5x_2&-&8x_3&+&8x_4&=&7\
4x_1&+&3x_2&-&9x_3&+&9x_4&=&7\
2x_1&+&3x_2&-&5x_3&+&7x_4&=&7\
x_1&+&8x_2&-&7x_3&+&12x_4&=&14
end{eqnarray}$$
So this method is similar to the method in the accepted answer, where the solution given by the textbook is used.
What if this method does not uncover the errors. This can happen if you made more then one error in a step- Then you can use a weighted checksum to try to uncover the error.
add a comment |
up vote
0
down vote
Usually you don't know the solution of your equation. So you have to use other methods for check your calculation. One way is to add checksums to your calculation.
Don't start your calculations with the original matrix
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
$$
but start with the matrix augmented by a column at the right. An element of this column is equal to the sum of the other elements of this row. So the augmented matrix is
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 & 7 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 & 7 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]
$$
You do the same row operations as with the original matrices.
So instead of
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]$$
you do
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 & 7 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 & 7 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 & -21 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]$$
Then you check if for the matrix you calculated the checksum is still valid.
Here the checksum is correct.
Now let's investigate the step where the error occurs. We get
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 & -21
end{array}right]
overset{R_4to R_4-R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c | c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14\
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0\
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7\
0 & 10 & 8 & -12 & -14
end{array}right]
$$
For this result matrix the checksum of row 4 is not valid, so an error must have occurred.
Actually the checksum property means $(1,1,1,1)^T$ is a solution of the following system of equations that corresponds to the augmented matrix:
$$begin{eqnarray}
2x_1&+&5x_2&-&8x_3&+&8x_4&=&7\
4x_1&+&3x_2&-&9x_3&+&9x_4&=&7\
2x_1&+&3x_2&-&5x_3&+&7x_4&=&7\
x_1&+&8x_2&-&7x_3&+&12x_4&=&14
end{eqnarray}$$
So this method is similar to the method in the accepted answer, where the solution given by the textbook is used.
What if this method does not uncover the errors. This can happen if you made more then one error in a step- Then you can use a weighted checksum to try to uncover the error.
add a comment |
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
Usually you don't know the solution of your equation. So you have to use other methods for check your calculation. One way is to add checksums to your calculation.
Don't start your calculations with the original matrix
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
$$
but start with the matrix augmented by a column at the right. An element of this column is equal to the sum of the other elements of this row. So the augmented matrix is
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 & 7 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 & 7 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]
$$
You do the same row operations as with the original matrices.
So instead of
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]$$
you do
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 & 7 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 & 7 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 & -21 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]$$
Then you check if for the matrix you calculated the checksum is still valid.
Here the checksum is correct.
Now let's investigate the step where the error occurs. We get
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 & -21
end{array}right]
overset{R_4to R_4-R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c | c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14\
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0\
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7\
0 & 10 & 8 & -12 & -14
end{array}right]
$$
For this result matrix the checksum of row 4 is not valid, so an error must have occurred.
Actually the checksum property means $(1,1,1,1)^T$ is a solution of the following system of equations that corresponds to the augmented matrix:
$$begin{eqnarray}
2x_1&+&5x_2&-&8x_3&+&8x_4&=&7\
4x_1&+&3x_2&-&9x_3&+&9x_4&=&7\
2x_1&+&3x_2&-&5x_3&+&7x_4&=&7\
x_1&+&8x_2&-&7x_3&+&12x_4&=&14
end{eqnarray}$$
So this method is similar to the method in the accepted answer, where the solution given by the textbook is used.
What if this method does not uncover the errors. This can happen if you made more then one error in a step- Then you can use a weighted checksum to try to uncover the error.
Usually you don't know the solution of your equation. So you have to use other methods for check your calculation. One way is to add checksums to your calculation.
Don't start your calculations with the original matrix
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
$$
but start with the matrix augmented by a column at the right. An element of this column is equal to the sum of the other elements of this row. So the augmented matrix is
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 & 7 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 & 7 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]
$$
You do the same row operations as with the original matrices.
So instead of
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12
end{array}right]$$
you do
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
2 & 5 & -8 & 8 & 7 \
4 & 3 & -9 & 9 & 7 \
2 & 3 & -5 & 7 & 7 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]
overset{overset{large{R_1to R_1-R_3}}{{R_2to R_2-2R_3}}}{overset{R_3to R_3-2R_4}{largelongrightarrow}}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c}
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 & -21 \
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14
end{array}right]$$
Then you check if for the matrix you calculated the checksum is still valid.
Here the checksum is correct.
Now let's investigate the step where the error occurs. We get
$$left[begin{array}{ccc|c|c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14 \
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0 \
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7 \
0 & -13 & 9 & -17 & -21
end{array}right]
overset{R_4to R_4-R_3}{largelongrightarrow}
left[begin{array}{ccc|c | c}
1 & 8 & -7 & 12 & 14\
0 & 2 & -3 & 1 & 0\
0 & -3 & 1 & -5 & -7\
0 & 10 & 8 & -12 & -14
end{array}right]
$$
For this result matrix the checksum of row 4 is not valid, so an error must have occurred.
Actually the checksum property means $(1,1,1,1)^T$ is a solution of the following system of equations that corresponds to the augmented matrix:
$$begin{eqnarray}
2x_1&+&5x_2&-&8x_3&+&8x_4&=&7\
4x_1&+&3x_2&-&9x_3&+&9x_4&=&7\
2x_1&+&3x_2&-&5x_3&+&7x_4&=&7\
x_1&+&8x_2&-&7x_3&+&12x_4&=&14
end{eqnarray}$$
So this method is similar to the method in the accepted answer, where the solution given by the textbook is used.
What if this method does not uncover the errors. This can happen if you made more then one error in a step- Then you can use a weighted checksum to try to uncover the error.
edited 16 hours ago
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